Comments on: Manchester City, A Club Where Everything Is Going Completely According to Plan http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/ Attacking Football Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:36:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mark O'Connor http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-9629 Mark O'Connor Mon, 07 Jun 2010 00:16:33 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-9629 Line 14 typo ~ "Might qualify to UCL but that’s a silverware that’s reaching their standards is it." It should be "Might qualify to UCL but that's not a silverware that's reaching their standards is it." Meaning they only qualify to UCL but not actually winning anything. Line 14 typo ~ “Might qualify to UCL but that’s a silverware that’s reaching their standards is it.” It should be “Might qualify to UCL but that’s not a silverware that’s reaching their standards is it.” Meaning they only qualify to UCL but not actually winning anything.

]]> By: Mark O'Connor http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-9628 Mark O'Connor Mon, 07 Jun 2010 00:13:03 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-9628 I personally believe that Man City might have a thing going on there. Look at Chelsea for example. They bought a couple of players but didn't achieve many great things at the beginning. Mourinho is a great manager - if not the best - and he knew which kind of players Chelsea needed in order to be successful. He did the same with FC Internazionale for his next season by winning the treble. Back to the topic now. I don't think Man City will achieve this by simply splashing money. An example would be Madrid. Inarguably, Madrid has always and will always be a successful club. But after Florentino Perez splashed all that outrageous amount of money on top class players. What did he achieve? Nothing. Mourinho coming to Madrid might change things. That's what Man City needs. They are splashing their money but not necessarily going to achieve something are they? Might win F.A cup and that's mostly it. Might qualify to UCL but that's a silverware that's reaching their standards is it, considering all the players they bought. All in all, Man City will probably need a manager of Mourinho's calibre in order to achieve what they want. Mancini on the other hand has a successful history with FC Internazionale. He might be enough to qualify them to the UCL. But I am not sure if he could win them the EPL title. Mourinho or Louis Van Gaal could be managers that know what their club needs, what type of players Man City needs. Splashing money on Tevez, Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Robinho; trying to bring Kaka etc. This is not going to win them a title straight away. Might take a couple of years to do so. Bringing a successful, understanding and an experienced manager. That is the most important thing. He knows what kind of players he needs in order to achieve such success. But Man City definitely have something going there. All I would say is they definitely need a manager like Mourinho instead of bringing the top players in their team. I personally believe that Man City might have a thing going on there. Look at Chelsea for example. They bought a couple of players but didn’t achieve many great things at the beginning. Mourinho is a great manager – if not the best – and he knew which kind of players Chelsea needed in order to be successful. He did the same with FC Internazionale for his next season by winning the treble. Back to the topic now. I don’t think Man City will achieve this by simply splashing money. An example would be Madrid. Inarguably, Madrid has always and will always be a successful club. But after Florentino Perez splashed all that outrageous amount of money on top class players. What did he achieve? Nothing. Mourinho coming to Madrid might change things. That’s what Man City needs. They are splashing their money but not necessarily going to achieve something are they? Might win F.A cup and that’s mostly it. Might qualify to UCL but that’s a silverware that’s reaching their standards is it, considering all the players they bought. All in all, Man City will probably need a manager of Mourinho’s calibre in order to achieve what they want. Mancini on the other hand has a successful history with FC Internazionale. He might be enough to qualify them to the UCL. But I am not sure if he could win them the EPL title. Mourinho or Louis Van Gaal could be managers that know what their club needs, what type of players Man City needs. Splashing money on Tevez, Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Robinho; trying to bring Kaka etc. This is not going to win them a title straight away. Might take a couple of years to do so. Bringing a successful, understanding and an experienced manager. That is the most important thing. He knows what kind of players he needs in order to achieve such success. But Man City definitely have something going there. All I would say is they definitely need a manager like Mourinho instead of bringing the top players in their team.

]]> By: angela lynch http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-8573 angela lynch Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:09:01 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-8573 ive followed manchester city football team all my life.and i like it how we got kaldoon al murbarak as chairman. but i hated when we get told we not won any cups. and how weve got a best manager aswell.but i hated when we was supose to get kaka.to come to city but in the end he did want to come in the end.and i hate it when people call the team.and im glad weve started getting new players. ive followed manchester city football team all my life.and i like it how we got kaldoon al murbarak as chairman. but i hated when we get told we not won any cups. and how weve got a best manager aswell.but i hated when we was supose to get kaka.to come to city but in the end he did want to come in the end.and i hate it when people call the team.and im glad weve started getting new players.

]]> By: grrm http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-5893 grrm Fri, 22 May 2009 09:38:29 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-5893 Brian, City have actually issued a statement denying the whole Messi thing: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?pageid=115&pagegid={DBD12D53-8346-431D-A04F-5D0F8664DE80}&newsid=6632894&siteid=&pageno=2&newscategory=&frommonth=3&fromyear=2009&tomonth=5&toyear=2009 You are right about the Kaka affair though. A lot of city fans found the whole affair enormously embarrassing. I'd like to think that the club has learnt its lesson, as our other transfers (excluding Robinho- a "marquee signing" and someone who can play a bit!) have been made with a system in mind, or even Hughes' system in mind. I've actually been hugely impressed by the UAE lot since January, especially Murabak. They seem to be operating quietly and calmly, which makes a nice change from the Shinawatra era (*shudder*). That comment on the academy doesn't seem merely to be a flippant remark- Murabak has spent a bit of time at the training ground according to some ITK. Perhaps they've looked at Chelsea's embarrassing attempts to buy a youth team and realised that this is a far more pragmatic solution. Of course this could all change dramatically during the summer, and I'll look very foolish indeed. Feedle- unfortunately Michael Johnson is permanently crocked. It's rumoured that we accepted a bid from Newcastle in january, but when he failed the medical both parties decided that it would be in their interests to say that we rejected the bid for him. We used to have a magnificent player in the early 90's called Paul Lake who was forced to retire at a desperately early age. It's looking like Johnson might be going down the same path. Brian, City have actually issued a statement denying the whole Messi thing: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?pageid=115&pagegid={DBD12D53-8346-431D-A04F-5D0F8664DE80}&newsid=6632894&siteid=&pageno=2&newscategory=&frommonth=3&fromyear=2009&tomonth=5&toyear=2009
You are right about the Kaka affair though. A lot of city fans found the whole affair enormously embarrassing. I’d like to think that the club has learnt its lesson, as our other transfers (excluding Robinho- a “marquee signing” and someone who can play a bit!) have been made with a system in mind, or even Hughes’ system in mind.
I’ve actually been hugely impressed by the UAE lot since January, especially Murabak. They seem to be operating quietly and calmly, which makes a nice change from the Shinawatra era (*shudder*). That comment on the academy doesn’t seem merely to be a flippant remark- Murabak has spent a bit of time at the training ground according to some ITK. Perhaps they’ve looked at Chelsea’s embarrassing attempts to buy a youth team and realised that this is a far more pragmatic solution.
Of course this could all change dramatically during the summer, and I’ll look very foolish indeed.
Feedle- unfortunately Michael Johnson is permanently crocked. It’s rumoured that we accepted a bid from Newcastle in january, but when he failed the medical both parties decided that it would be in their interests to say that we rejected the bid for him. We used to have a magnificent player in the early 90′s called Paul Lake who was forced to retire at a desperately early age. It’s looking like Johnson might be going down the same path.

]]> By: Elliott http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-5878 Elliott Thu, 21 May 2009 18:29:38 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-5878 Brian, i have respectfully disagree with your analysis. I valued Robinho at $35 million pounds, and think City did a great job negotiating to buy him for only $32.5 million pounds. Brian, i have respectfully disagree with your analysis.

I valued Robinho at $35 million pounds, and think City did a great job negotiating to buy him for only $32.5 million pounds.

]]> By: FEDELE http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-5872 FEDELE Thu, 21 May 2009 15:06:40 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-5872 I am glad to hear that the Manchester City's owners have changed their policy and are going to built their success gradually rather than by splash out their millions. They are forced to do so anyway because unlike the Chelsea of Abramovich they are a mid-table size. It is difficult for a mid-table side to attract the likes of Messi and Kaka. Mind you: they are a very good mid-table side. This year they have played some sensetional stuff. Robinho is not just a fantastic player in his own right. He has also influenced the way the whole team plays, for Manchester City are as attractive as anyone else in the league going forward. Of course they have their limitations. They are a young team after all. Mark Huges is relatevly inexperienced, compared to Ferguson who had fourteen years to assemble Manu. I think it's a good thing that Kaka rejected that big money move. With hundred million you can built an entire team. If you watched the Uefa Cup final last night, you saw how good Shaktar were and I am sure: they have not spent hundred million on one player, but still play as an attractive football as anyone else on the continent. If Manchster City can finish in the top six next year, which I think they can by improving their away form, then in 2010/2011 they will be able to attract better players. Once they do that, there is nothing to stop them becoming the most successful football club of the next twenty years. For the time being, it is imperative that they hold on to their best players. Elano, Ireland, Petrov, Micheal Johnson must stay. PS: I am not a Manchester City fan, but I would be glad to see a new club stir things up a bit, for the Premiership has become a bit predictable. Especially as far as the top six positions is concerned. I am glad to hear that the Manchester City’s owners have changed their policy and are going to built their success gradually rather than by splash out their millions. They are forced to do so anyway because unlike the Chelsea of Abramovich they are a mid-table size. It is difficult for a mid-table side to attract the likes of Messi and Kaka. Mind you: they are a very good mid-table side. This year they have played some sensetional stuff. Robinho is not just a fantastic player in his own right. He has also influenced the way the whole team plays, for Manchester City are as attractive as anyone else in the league going forward. Of course they have their limitations. They are a young team after all. Mark Huges is relatevly inexperienced, compared to Ferguson who had fourteen years to assemble Manu. I think it’s a good thing that Kaka rejected that big money move. With hundred million you can built an entire team. If you watched the Uefa Cup final last night, you saw how good Shaktar were and I am sure: they have not spent hundred million on one player, but still play as an attractive football as anyone else on the continent. If Manchster City can finish in the top six next year, which I think they can by improving their away form, then in 2010/2011 they will be able to attract better players. Once they do that, there is nothing to stop them becoming the most successful football club of the next twenty years. For the time being, it is imperative that they hold on to their best players. Elano, Ireland, Petrov, Micheal Johnson must stay. PS: I am not a Manchester City fan, but I would be glad to see a new club stir things up a bit, for the Premiership has become a bit predictable. Especially as far as the top six positions is concerned.

]]> By: Brian Phillips http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-5867 Brian Phillips Wed, 20 May 2009 23:29:27 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-5867 The reason bert magoo's Berbatov example doesn't work is that MAN CITY ALSO BID £30 MILLION FOR BERBATOV. Has everyone forgotten this? It makes no sense to criticize a club's stupidity when your club tried to do the exact same stupid thing, and only escaped the consequences because the player rejected them. The reason bert magoo’s Berbatov example doesn’t work is that MAN CITY ALSO BID £30 MILLION FOR BERBATOV. Has everyone forgotten this? It makes no sense to criticize a club’s stupidity when your club tried to do the exact same stupid thing, and only escaped the consequences because the player rejected them.

]]> By: Swaino http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-5866 Swaino Wed, 20 May 2009 23:18:19 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-5866 You know I can honestly say that I never expected to be brought down by someone called bert magoo but I'll try anything once. haha. I should probably include some reason for the rant, and answer mr. magoo on what he has called me out on. First off, I did not say that you cannot buy success as anyone can buy success, I was meaning that Chelsea did not buy a team in one year (they did after all spend over 100 million on new players and then sacked Ranieri for Mourinho). They still had to build one, just like everyone else by trail and error and securing players that are right for Chelsea and the Premier League. If anything this was more thanks to Jose Mourinho being a good manager as they haven't really been playing the same way since he left and they have still bought some big names such as Deco, for example. The Man City's owners (as I'm not sure how much say that Mark Hughes has in the fanciful transfers) do not seem to have a definate end product in mind and are just trying to grab at the very best players in Europe who all play for teams with very different approaches. As far as Robinho goes I stand by the sentiment that his was a pretty shallow move. I have a job, thank you very much, and I can tell you that payday is the only thing that motivates me but was his pay honestly that bad when he was playing for Real Madrid?? What does he use the extra money for, more petrol in his sports car??. The whole thing seems very personally motivated, rather than his love for Man City, or wanting to win things as if City do not make progress in the next two years then I could see him being on the move again. I can't understand the transfer myself as the only motivation would be for first team football, but if he is honestly worth that amount of money per week then why could he not get first team at Madrid? Although, I am going to have to concede to the fact that you have Berbatov's number there. The man is over priced, I wanted him to come to united as I was a big fan of his at Spurs but for £30 million?? A little steep for him to then be upstaged by Tevez. So really both clubs have made the mistake of over pricing, the difference is that Berbatov has taken a step up and looked average where as Robinho has taken two steps down and looked average much worse really. Also, it was stupid to mention fm as an example for what City are doing, you're right grrm. Besides it seems that it is the owners who are going nuts with the transfers and not Hughes as he has the brains to make the actual smart signings that would benefit the team as a whole. You know I can honestly say that I never expected to be brought down by someone called bert magoo but I’ll try anything once. haha.

I should probably include some reason for the rant, and answer mr. magoo on what he has called me out on. First off, I did not say that you cannot buy success as anyone can buy success, I was meaning that Chelsea did not buy a team in one year (they did after all spend over 100 million on new players and then sacked Ranieri for Mourinho). They still had to build one, just like everyone else by trail and error and securing players that are right for Chelsea and the Premier League. If anything this was more thanks to Jose Mourinho being a good manager as they haven’t really been playing the same way since he left and they have still bought some big names such as Deco, for example. The Man City’s owners (as I’m not sure how much say that Mark Hughes has in the fanciful transfers) do not seem to have a definate end product in mind and are just trying to grab at the very best players in Europe who all play for teams with very different approaches.

As far as Robinho goes I stand by the sentiment that his was a pretty shallow move. I have a job, thank you very much, and I can tell you that payday is the only thing that motivates me but was his pay honestly that bad when he was playing for Real Madrid?? What does he use the extra money for, more petrol in his sports car??. The whole thing seems very personally motivated, rather than his love for Man City, or wanting to win things as if City do not make progress in the next two years then I could see him being on the move again. I can’t understand the transfer myself as the only motivation would be for first team football, but if he is honestly worth that amount of money per week then why could he not get first team at Madrid?

Although, I am going to have to concede to the fact that you have Berbatov’s number there. The man is over priced, I wanted him to come to united as I was a big fan of his at Spurs but for £30 million?? A little steep for him to then be upstaged by Tevez. So really both clubs have made the mistake of over pricing, the difference is that Berbatov has taken a step up and looked average where as Robinho has taken two steps down and looked average much worse really.

Also, it was stupid to mention fm as an example for what City are doing, you’re right grrm. Besides it seems that it is the owners who are going nuts with the transfers and not Hughes as he has the brains to make the actual smart signings that would benefit the team as a whole.

]]> By: Brian Phillips http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-5843 Brian Phillips Wed, 20 May 2009 13:58:12 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-5843 Heh. This got linked to on a Manchester City supporters' forum. Everyone please try to take a joke and remember that excessively stupid/furious comments will be deleted. grrm, even if we concede for the sake of argument that Man City's transfer policy has been "reasonably pragmatic," doesn't that have something to do with the fact that they've been rejected by most of the flamboyant big-name signings they've pursued? I assume that the majority of the $900-trillion-for-David-Villa stories are just transfer gossip...but we know the Kaká thing happened, we know they went after Berbatov, and <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/mancity/5355345/Lionel-Messi-turns-down-Manchester-City-offer.html" rel="nofollow">stuff like this</a> (from today!) has been popping up for far too long for it all to be some sort of big mistake prompted by a few unwise statements from Sulaiman Al-Fahim. All joking aside, I have nothing against Man City, but the idea that they're being run as some sort of model of patience and thrift is just not serious. Heh. This got linked to on a Manchester City supporters’ forum. Everyone please try to take a joke and remember that excessively stupid/furious comments will be deleted.

grrm, even if we concede for the sake of argument that Man City’s transfer policy has been “reasonably pragmatic,” doesn’t that have something to do with the fact that they’ve been rejected by most of the flamboyant big-name signings they’ve pursued? I assume that the majority of the $900-trillion-for-David-Villa stories are just transfer gossip…but we know the Kaká thing happened, we know they went after Berbatov, and stuff like this (from today!) has been popping up for far too long for it all to be some sort of big mistake prompted by a few unwise statements from Sulaiman Al-Fahim.

All joking aside, I have nothing against Man City, but the idea that they’re being run as some sort of model of patience and thrift is just not serious.

]]> By: grrm http://www.runofplay.com/2009/05/19/manchester-city-a-club-where-everything-is-going-according-to-plan/#comment-5840 grrm Wed, 20 May 2009 13:09:42 +0000 http://www.runofplay.com/?p=9610#comment-5840 TBF, the "spokesman" who turned up promising gleaming Ronaldos and a Messi in every corner of the pitch was quickly and quietly discredited and pushed aside. City's transfer policy this season (the Kaka excursion excluded) has been reasonably pragmatic. Robinho was a marquee signing,yes, but everyone since has been signed at the bequest of Hughes. We still have a higher proportion of academy graduates in our first team than the vast majority of the league, so that snide little aside ("I look forward to watching them succeed over the next 10 years, slowly and patiently, through intelligent infrastructure management and investment in the youth academy. Why are you laughing? Stop laughing") is, at present, redundant. Swaino, you sound like a deplorable plastic to me. Well, anyone who starts a sentence, "Even though Man City in Football Manager always sign the best players..." would struggle not to. I'd wager that your knowledge of both us and United is miserably limited. Please refrain from passing comment on something you know sod all about. Ta. TBF, the “spokesman” who turned up promising gleaming Ronaldos and a Messi in every corner of the pitch was quickly and quietly discredited and pushed aside. City’s transfer policy this season (the Kaka excursion excluded) has been reasonably pragmatic. Robinho was a marquee signing,yes, but everyone since has been signed at the bequest of Hughes.
We still have a higher proportion of academy graduates in our first team than the vast majority of the league, so that snide little aside (“I look forward to watching them succeed over the next 10 years, slowly and patiently, through intelligent infrastructure management and investment in the youth academy. Why are you laughing? Stop laughing”) is, at present, redundant.

Swaino, you sound like a deplorable plastic to me. Well, anyone who starts a sentence, “Even though Man City in Football Manager always sign the best players…” would struggle not to. I’d wager that your knowledge of both us and United is miserably limited. Please refrain from passing comment on something you know sod all about. Ta.

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