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	<title>Comments on: Buzz Bissinger, Will Leitch, and the White-Hot Flow of Opinion</title>
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		<title>By: buddy davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 04:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, guys, I am a print media guy, a long-time sportswriter who realizes that, hey, there&#039;s a great big world of the games people play to write about out there and it&#039;s not the exclusive domain of just us print types.
Things change. Hell, I once wrote on deadline with a freakin&#039; manual typewriter and still miss the sound of that damn Royal.
But if I was going to compete in this profession, I knew I had better place butt in seat and write to daylight with a computer.
Same now with the Blog World. It just makes me write better, compete more for different angles, thoughts, etc.
Maybe--and this is just my gut feeling--is that vintage print guys like BB and others feel that so many bloggers haven&#039;t paid their &quot;dues&quot;, if you will. That sometimes maybe they aren&#039;t held to the same standards of accountability. Maybe he sees John Doe The Blogger rise out of nowhere, minus any type of journalistic degree or background, and become well-read and followed.
Hey, this is America, right? It&#039;s all about competition and doing better than the next person.
And in the case of sports journalism, the bloggers are here to stay.
I respect them, enjoy what many of them write and use it as another form of incentive for me to grow even more as a sports journalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, guys, I am a print media guy, a long-time sportswriter who realizes that, hey, there&#039;s a great big world of the games people play to write about out there and it&#039;s not the exclusive domain of just us print types.<br />
Things change. Hell, I once wrote on deadline with a freakin&#039; manual typewriter and still miss the sound of that damn Royal.<br />
But if I was going to compete in this profession, I knew I had better place butt in seat and write to daylight with a computer.<br />
Same now with the Blog World. It just makes me write better, compete more for different angles, thoughts, etc.<br />
Maybe&#8211;and this is just my gut feeling&#8211;is that vintage print guys like BB and others feel that so many bloggers haven&#039;t paid their &#034;dues&#034;, if you will. That sometimes maybe they aren&#039;t held to the same standards of accountability. Maybe he sees John Doe The Blogger rise out of nowhere, minus any type of journalistic degree or background, and become well-read and followed.<br />
Hey, this is America, right? It&#039;s all about competition and doing better than the next person.<br />
And in the case of sports journalism, the bloggers are here to stay.<br />
I respect them, enjoy what many of them write and use it as another form of incentive for me to grow even more as a sports journalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 23:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t I know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#039;t I know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Whittall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Whittall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue is one more that like iTunes did for musicians, blog culture may have a hand in ruining the livelihood of print journalists.  

But mainstream sports journalism made its own bed when they shrank column space and dumbed down coverage for the sake of their decreasingly intelligent readers.  I was doing research for an article on the history of club football in Toronto a few weeks back and I was amazed at the sea of print in the sports section of the Globe and Mail back in the sixties and seventies.  The writing was ribald, the metaphors colourful, the analysis sharp and unpretentious.   That&#039;s been replaced with blather.  

Some blogs have risen to fill the void but there is a problem with pay equity.  Blogs by their nature are free to read, and if any money changes hands its from annoying advertising links and not on a per-word, per-article basis.  Writing should still be a paid craft, like acting, music, and art.  How the internet can nurture young and intelligent sports writers remains to be seen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue is one more that like iTunes did for musicians, blog culture may have a hand in ruining the livelihood of print journalists.  </p>
<p>But mainstream sports journalism made its own bed when they shrank column space and dumbed down coverage for the sake of their decreasingly intelligent readers.  I was doing research for an article on the history of club football in Toronto a few weeks back and I was amazed at the sea of print in the sports section of the Globe and Mail back in the sixties and seventies.  The writing was ribald, the metaphors colourful, the analysis sharp and unpretentious.   That&#039;s been replaced with blather.  </p>
<p>Some blogs have risen to fill the void but there is a problem with pay equity.  Blogs by their nature are free to read, and if any money changes hands its from annoying advertising links and not on a per-word, per-article basis.  Writing should still be a paid craft, like acting, music, and art.  How the internet can nurture young and intelligent sports writers remains to be seen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, Costas and Bissinger seemed to share the assumption that profanity equals stupidity, and so the websites with the most curse words must be doing the most to dumb down social discourse. That seems like a demagogic and wrongheaded position to me; maybe I&#039;m out of step, but there are lots of popular manifestations of the &quot;clean&quot; mainstream sports media---ESPN: The Magazine, say, or SportsCenter---that I find much more stultifying than a supposedly lowbrow site like Deadspin.

Kissing Suzy Kolber actually seems to me to possess more social value than a lot of Buzz Bissinger&#039;s recent profiles, for exactly the same reason that a good comedian is more valuable than a mediocre columnist. They&#039;re injecting some id into a system that&#039;s choking on superego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, Costas and Bissinger seemed to share the assumption that profanity equals stupidity, and so the websites with the most curse words must be doing the most to dumb down social discourse. That seems like a demagogic and wrongheaded position to me; maybe I&#039;m out of step, but there are lots of popular manifestations of the &#034;clean&#034; mainstream sports media&#8212;ESPN: The Magazine, say, or SportsCenter&#8212;that I find much more stultifying than a supposedly lowbrow site like Deadspin.</p>
<p>Kissing Suzy Kolber actually seems to me to possess more social value than a lot of Buzz Bissinger&#039;s recent profiles, for exactly the same reason that a good comedian is more valuable than a mediocre columnist. They&#039;re injecting some id into a system that&#039;s choking on superego.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always found &quot;sports journalism&quot;, at least in the USA media, to be pretty atrocious, so the idea that blogs are &quot;dumbing us down&quot; amuses me greatly. I don&#039;t go to the mainstream sports media for intellectual betterment, and I doubt anyone else does either. 

This diatribe does not surprise me in the least, though. Seriously, sports &quot;journalists&quot;, at least in the USA, are some of the most reactionary types in the mainstream media. Most of the rest of the mainstream media caught on to blogging several years ago, and don&#039;t seem to have major issues with it (many of them have become bloggers as well). Sports journalism has more than its fair share of dinosaurs who are a bit out of touch with today&#039;s reality (these tend to be the worst of the soccer-bashers, as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve always found &#034;sports journalism&#034;, at least in the USA media, to be pretty atrocious, so the idea that blogs are &#034;dumbing us down&#034; amuses me greatly. I don&#039;t go to the mainstream sports media for intellectual betterment, and I doubt anyone else does either. </p>
<p>This diatribe does not surprise me in the least, though. Seriously, sports &#034;journalists&#034;, at least in the USA, are some of the most reactionary types in the mainstream media. Most of the rest of the mainstream media caught on to blogging several years ago, and don&#039;t seem to have major issues with it (many of them have become bloggers as well). Sports journalism has more than its fair share of dinosaurs who are a bit out of touch with today&#039;s reality (these tend to be the worst of the soccer-bashers, as well).</p>
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		<title>By: Pitch Invasion &#187; Links &#187; It&#8217;s in the (inter)net! April 30</title>
		<link>http://www.runofplay.com/2008/04/30/buzz-bissinger-will-leitch-and-the-white-hot-flow-of-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-1150</link>
		<dc:creator>Pitch Invasion &#187; Links &#187; It&#8217;s in the (inter)net! April 30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it might piss off Buzz Bissinger, but I&#8217;m going to link to some of crazy things called blogs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it might piss off Buzz Bissinger, but I&#039;m going to link to some of crazy things called blogs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ursus, that&#039;s a fantastic point, I wish I&#039;d thought of it.  Pat Jordan&#039;s Canseco piece was so good that I had to dig up &lt;a href=&quot;http://deadspin.com/372409/chasing-jose-by-pat-jordan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a link to it&lt;/a&gt;. Well worth reading for anyone with a few extra minutes.

You&#039;re also right that I wouldn&#039;t normally wade into a debate like this. Bissinger&#039;s diatribe about bloggers not sweating over language probably felt like a thrown gauntlet, and then the fact that he thinks amateur sportswriting is ruining American discourse while apparently not having a problem with, say, Colin Cowherd or Jim Rome, just struck me as impossible to pass up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ursus, that&#039;s a fantastic point, I wish I&#039;d thought of it.  Pat Jordan&#039;s Canseco piece was so good that I had to dig up <a href="http://deadspin.com/372409/chasing-jose-by-pat-jordan" rel="nofollow">a link to it</a>. Well worth reading for anyone with a few extra minutes.</p>
<p>You&#039;re also right that I wouldn&#039;t normally wade into a debate like this. Bissinger&#039;s diatribe about bloggers not sweating over language probably felt like a thrown gauntlet, and then the fact that he thinks amateur sportswriting is ruining American discourse while apparently not having a problem with, say, Colin Cowherd or Jim Rome, just struck me as impossible to pass up.</p>
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		<title>By: ursus arctos</title>
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		<dc:creator>ursus arctos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a topic I expected to see you take on, Brian, but I&#039;m very glad you did.

I find it extremely interesting that in the same period of a few weeks that Bissinger has chosen to so publicly identify Deadspin as the root cause of all that is wrong with American society, Pat Jordan, another of the country&#039;s most distinguished sportswriters (and one with a rather more extensive and consistent oeuvre than Bissinger), has chosen to use a new medium for both a brilliant article on Jose Canseco and a long serialized interview.

That&#039;s right, Deadspin.

And yes, I know that Belth edited Jordan&#039;s new book, and that Belth and Leitch go back to the Black Table (and perhaps even beyond), but that neither explains why a writer of Jordan&#039;s quality chose Belth as an editor nor why he has chosen to engage with the new reality in a diametrically oppposite way to Bissinger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a topic I expected to see you take on, Brian, but I&#039;m very glad you did.</p>
<p>I find it extremely interesting that in the same period of a few weeks that Bissinger has chosen to so publicly identify Deadspin as the root cause of all that is wrong with American society, Pat Jordan, another of the country&#039;s most distinguished sportswriters (and one with a rather more extensive and consistent oeuvre than Bissinger), has chosen to use a new medium for both a brilliant article on Jose Canseco and a long serialized interview.</p>
<p>That&#039;s right, Deadspin.</p>
<p>And yes, I know that Belth edited Jordan&#039;s new book, and that Belth and Leitch go back to the Black Table (and perhaps even beyond), but that neither explains why a writer of Jordan&#039;s quality chose Belth as an editor nor why he has chosen to engage with the new reality in a diametrically oppposite way to Bissinger.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to look at it like: the man who wrote Friday Night Lights &lt;em&gt;twenty years ago&lt;/em&gt; said all this. Still, it&#039;s definitely sad; I would have liked to believe that someone as smart as Bissinger a) would be able to recognize something interesting and new when it came along, and b) wouldn&#039;t feel so comfortable with a sloppy, un- or anti-intellectual status quo just because it made him rich and famous. I mean, bash blogs all you want---there&#039;s a lot to bash---but then don&#039;t act like you&#039;re upholding some ideal of civil discourse by hanging out with Bob Costas.

Here&#039;s a more considered version of his position, from a newspaper article a couple of years ago:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Blogs especially, Bissinger says, &quot;disgrace the written word. No one sweats over a sentence anymore, no one really cares if a sentence has good grammar or bad grammar. No one really cares if it has the right or wrong word. Blogs are all about opinion, all about getting in your face, and the fact that people love them says they&#039;re really not interested in facts, not interested in beautiful writing; they&#039;re just interested in having our own opinions certified.

&quot;With the Internet, there&#039;s too much information out there, and we&#039;ve become a very mindless country. I don&#039;t know how else to say it: We really revel in ignorance and disinformation.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m trying to look at it like: the man who wrote Friday Night Lights <em>twenty years ago</em> said all this. Still, it&#039;s definitely sad; I would have liked to believe that someone as smart as Bissinger a) would be able to recognize something interesting and new when it came along, and b) wouldn&#039;t feel so comfortable with a sloppy, un- or anti-intellectual status quo just because it made him rich and famous. I mean, bash blogs all you want&#8212;there&#039;s a lot to bash&#8212;but then don&#039;t act like you&#039;re upholding some ideal of civil discourse by hanging out with Bob Costas.</p>
<p>Here&#039;s a more considered version of his position, from a newspaper article a couple of years ago:</p>
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Blogs especially, Bissinger says, &#034;disgrace the written word. No one sweats over a sentence anymore, no one really cares if a sentence has good grammar or bad grammar. No one really cares if it has the right or wrong word. Blogs are all about opinion, all about getting in your face, and the fact that people love them says they&#039;re really not interested in facts, not interested in beautiful writing; they&#039;re just interested in having our own opinions certified.</p>
<p>&#034;With the Internet, there&#039;s too much information out there, and we&#039;ve become a very mindless country. I don&#039;t know how else to say it: We really revel in ignorance and disinformation.&#034;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man who wrote Friday Night Lights, one of the best sports books ever, said all this? Sad day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man who wrote Friday Night Lights, one of the best sports books ever, said all this? Sad day.</p>
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